As an Ohio State fan, I’m kind of disappointed to see us finish #2 on this list. Are you sure your heart is really in having Nebraska #1? It seems very related to things that just happened this year, and does not match your deep-seated annoyance found with us buckeyes, who I think if your gut/heart had the final vote would be #1. Also, everything you said about Woody is accurate, but I will add that he did go to bat to protect public education funding in front of the penny-pinching Ohio State legislature to the point that my Dad credited him with saving his job at Ohio State. It’s hard seeing the modern day brand of millionaire super coach doing that.
Fellow Nebraskan here. Our football team is awful and we should be eternally embarrassed by our offseason behavior and anyone like "jim" here. Spencer's words are spot on.
I love the big ten this is hilarious. can you add an honorable mention to Notre Dame they are unequivocally the most annoying team on the planet. They are overrated every year and prove it in every bowl game.
Ohio State ain't no charter member. The story is vastly more petty than that. Michigan walked out of the conference in 1906 because fuck you we're paying our players,* with an eye towards building their own conference out of independents Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn, Penn State, Cornell (every conference has to have one), and Ohio State. The Big Ten then offered Michigan's old spot to Ohio State.
*Back then this meant we're not going to make them pay for meals, but if you really respect the highest ideals of amateur football, you're willing to starve or bankrupt your family to get the calories you need to play it.
Michigan didn't walk out. They were kicked out after Fielding Yost refused to put his mercenary football program under the control of the university President and faculty, as all other schools had agreed to. It was literally the original sin of "lack of institutional control."
Man, it's a quite a thing that people today are still breathing Stagg's bullshit (and treating faculty control like a good thing). I just did a presentation on all this so it's fresh. Stagg was the only coach who was a member of the faculty and most were never made so. If you want to get into the gritty, the whole thing played out over a couple of years because Angell and Pettingill got a huge backlash back on campus for helping Stagg ambush Yost. Michigan ultimately informed the conference they weren't going to violate the terms of Yost's contract, which ran through 1910, and played just one Big Ten game in 1906 before the conference's superfluous vote in 1907. It's hard to make the argument that the decision was made in April when Michigan was playing Penn and Vandy instead of Chicago and Wisconsin in the fall of 1906. Other schools ditched their coaches; Point-a-Minute "mercenary" Albert Herrnstein had to leave Purdue to take the Ohio State HC job. Wisconsin's Phil King left football. I have to go back over my notes but I think other than Stagg Minnesota (Doc Williams, who was an actual doctor), and IU's James Sheldon, a Stagg guy who'd just been hired, got to keep their posts among the 1905 Big Ten coaches.
Yeah, Michigan agreed to doing away with the training table, and the strict scheduling rules that were meant to prevent other Big Ten teams from expanding their stadiums to the size of Marshall Field, and the freshman ineligibility rule that was supposed to cut out Yost's legs in recruiting (particularly transfers and semi-pros. Doesn't change the fact that the training table was a huge issue on Yost's part.
Yes, but Bryan MacKenzie, who writes for us, is the patent lawyer they were referencing. I'm just the guy who gave a presentation on why Michigan left the Big Ten for the UM Chicago Alumni Club two weeks ago.
I understand. I have been an mgoblog reader/lurker for over 10 years and am a huge fan of all of y’all. (Sweet Dominick’s write up. I miss that place. Ordered the t-shirt, thanks!)
Man, those Nebraskans are such jerks. Wanting college football back and everything. How dare they? I mean, it's not like football is culturally important in the state or anything. They should have just sit down and shut up and let their betters instruct them on what was best for them. Good thing we ignored those rubes and no one's playing any college football this season.
Of course your name is Todd.... man, I never thought Michigan would be topped for "Formerly great program that sucks now but all of their fans refuse to believe it and instead are louder and more annoying," but here we are.
I don't know who you've been talking to, but most Nebraskans would agree that the team has sucked for the past decade or two. Still love our Huskers, though. My point was that people like you and Spencer go to town on Husker fans--who just wanted college football this season--like they were some sort of plague, just because they wanted college football this season. Weird flex now that almost every program is playing, but okay I guess.
But they ARE a plague. It took some of the greatest veterinary science masters decades to develop a cure for the biennial infection of KSU Stadium by the Red Virus.
Husker fan that is proud of our number 1 ranking! Never thought that having a different opinion than institutional presidents would make you annoying. BTW Nebraska was correct as evidenced by the SEC, ACC, and Big 12.
Let's see how many of these teams evade Covid sufficiently to make it to the end of the season, Larry. I think it likely that this year's college football is going to have a considerable Demolition Derby aspect to it.
Not sure how I feel about this. As stated below, some of these schools hardly have fans. No one is vying to see them play whether they are good or not. Nebraska may not be winning, but it is #1 in having fans that show up to games and travel. I guess that is why Frost and others felt entitled to speak up. And come on...Iowa is annoying too.
I don't buy into the idea that the B1G is somehow sacrosanct, but even if I did accept this bizarre presupposition that many around the conference seem to have adopted - I roundly reject the notion that Nebraska is any less adequately positioned than Ohio St to make waves and challenge leadership
So what if Ohio St is a charter member of the conference and Nebraska is not?
*This is inaccurate anyway - Ohio St is NOT a charter member*
And so what if Ohio St is currently a "conference giant" {i.e. an elite performer on the field} and Nebraska is not?
I maintain that any and every B1G school is equally at liberty to voice an opinion and push an agenda irrespective of conference tenure and win/loss record
That said, if history and tradition DOES, as you seem to be saying, confer a certain right to speak up, then Nebraska, as one of just nine blue blood college football programs has most certainly earned the right to squawk as loud as and for as long as they please!
I have lived in Illinois for over four years now and have yet to meet anyone willing to cop to being a fan of Illini football. I bet if you asked people on the street they'd swear Ron Zook was still the coach.
As a card carrying member of the OSU fan base, I think it manifestly important that you hear my take on this. Really, you need to hear this. Fan base. It is two words. Making two words into one word is annoying. It is more annoying than Nebraska. It is almost more annoying than you conjuring up the image of Pat Fitzgerald straining away to evacuate his bowels, an image that now careens around in my mind's eye and cannot be unimagined. It peeves and miffs me. I am piffed.
Maybe this was done on purpose, but I couldn't help but laugh at the Michigan grad needing to inform everyone of their status, even if it was to ask for UM to be treated more roughly. Very fitting :)
I enjoy meeting vegan Michigan grads, as they get super torn on what to say first...."As a Michigan grad and a vegan, I mean as a vegan and Michigan grad..."
I resent your characterization of Michigan State fans as beer can throwing louts. I’m a two-time graduate of MSU, and never threw a beer can at anyone. Okay, I did once. And it was in Spartan Stadium. But in my defense I threw it toward Joe Montana. And it was a Budweiser. So there.
As an Ohio State fan, I’m kind of disappointed to see us finish #2 on this list. Are you sure your heart is really in having Nebraska #1? It seems very related to things that just happened this year, and does not match your deep-seated annoyance found with us buckeyes, who I think if your gut/heart had the final vote would be #1. Also, everything you said about Woody is accurate, but I will add that he did go to bat to protect public education funding in front of the penny-pinching Ohio State legislature to the point that my Dad credited him with saving his job at Ohio State. It’s hard seeing the modern day brand of millionaire super coach doing that.
Fuck off, The Huskers got football back and u all wine like cut babies.
this is perfect
Learn how to spell. You must be a Nebraska grad.
The only reason I'd be sad about Nebraska going back to the Big 12 is Wisconsin not having that guaranteed win every season.
Fellow Nebraskan here. Our football team is awful and we should be eternally embarrassed by our offseason behavior and anyone like "jim" here. Spencer's words are spot on.
Fuck off yourself. I live in Nebraska and I hate Nebraska. Nebraska sucks so hard, the wind comes out of the east in Council Bluffs.
I mean, a cut baby would probably wine (sic).
I love the big ten this is hilarious. can you add an honorable mention to Notre Dame they are unequivocally the most annoying team on the planet. They are overrated every year and prove it in every bowl game.
Ohio State ain't no charter member. The story is vastly more petty than that. Michigan walked out of the conference in 1906 because fuck you we're paying our players,* with an eye towards building their own conference out of independents Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, Penn, Penn State, Cornell (every conference has to have one), and Ohio State. The Big Ten then offered Michigan's old spot to Ohio State.
*Back then this meant we're not going to make them pay for meals, but if you really respect the highest ideals of amateur football, you're willing to starve or bankrupt your family to get the calories you need to play it.
Michigan didn't walk out. They were kicked out after Fielding Yost refused to put his mercenary football program under the control of the university President and faculty, as all other schools had agreed to. It was literally the original sin of "lack of institutional control."
Man, it's a quite a thing that people today are still breathing Stagg's bullshit (and treating faculty control like a good thing). I just did a presentation on all this so it's fresh. Stagg was the only coach who was a member of the faculty and most were never made so. If you want to get into the gritty, the whole thing played out over a couple of years because Angell and Pettingill got a huge backlash back on campus for helping Stagg ambush Yost. Michigan ultimately informed the conference they weren't going to violate the terms of Yost's contract, which ran through 1910, and played just one Big Ten game in 1906 before the conference's superfluous vote in 1907. It's hard to make the argument that the decision was made in April when Michigan was playing Penn and Vandy instead of Chicago and Wisconsin in the fall of 1906. Other schools ditched their coaches; Point-a-Minute "mercenary" Albert Herrnstein had to leave Purdue to take the Ohio State HC job. Wisconsin's Phil King left football. I have to go back over my notes but I think other than Stagg Minnesota (Doc Williams, who was an actual doctor), and IU's James Sheldon, a Stagg guy who'd just been hired, got to keep their posts among the 1905 Big Ten coaches.
Yeah, Michigan agreed to doing away with the training table, and the strict scheduling rules that were meant to prevent other Big Ten teams from expanding their stadiums to the size of Marshall Field, and the freshman ineligibility rule that was supposed to cut out Yost's legs in recruiting (particularly transfers and semi-pros. Doesn't change the fact that the training table was a huge issue on Yost's part.
https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/midaily/mdp.39015071730837/335
This is a prime example of “the guy claiming to be a patent lawyer? He really is one”
Yes, but Bryan MacKenzie, who writes for us, is the patent lawyer they were referencing. I'm just the guy who gave a presentation on why Michigan left the Big Ten for the UM Chicago Alumni Club two weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/Misopogon/status/1314656701627461633
I understand. I have been an mgoblog reader/lurker for over 10 years and am a huge fan of all of y’all. (Sweet Dominick’s write up. I miss that place. Ordered the t-shirt, thanks!)
Man, those Nebraskans are such jerks. Wanting college football back and everything. How dare they? I mean, it's not like football is culturally important in the state or anything. They should have just sit down and shut up and let their betters instruct them on what was best for them. Good thing we ignored those rubes and no one's playing any college football this season.
Of course your name is Todd.... man, I never thought Michigan would be topped for "Formerly great program that sucks now but all of their fans refuse to believe it and instead are louder and more annoying," but here we are.
I don't know who you've been talking to, but most Nebraskans would agree that the team has sucked for the past decade or two. Still love our Huskers, though. My point was that people like you and Spencer go to town on Husker fans--who just wanted college football this season--like they were some sort of plague, just because they wanted college football this season. Weird flex now that almost every program is playing, but okay I guess.
But they ARE a plague. It took some of the greatest veterinary science masters decades to develop a cure for the biennial infection of KSU Stadium by the Red Virus.
Hey Todd buddy how's the "almost every program is playing, see!" thing working out
Husker fan that is proud of our number 1 ranking! Never thought that having a different opinion than institutional presidents would make you annoying. BTW Nebraska was correct as evidenced by the SEC, ACC, and Big 12.
Let's see how many of these teams evade Covid sufficiently to make it to the end of the season, Larry. I think it likely that this year's college football is going to have a considerable Demolition Derby aspect to it.
What a fucking moron. Pussy who never played a sport
Keep talking...... Thank you Huskers for football games this season!!!° GBR!!!
Not sure how I feel about this. As stated below, some of these schools hardly have fans. No one is vying to see them play whether they are good or not. Nebraska may not be winning, but it is #1 in having fans that show up to games and travel. I guess that is why Frost and others felt entitled to speak up. And come on...Iowa is annoying too.
I don't buy into the idea that the B1G is somehow sacrosanct, but even if I did accept this bizarre presupposition that many around the conference seem to have adopted - I roundly reject the notion that Nebraska is any less adequately positioned than Ohio St to make waves and challenge leadership
So what if Ohio St is a charter member of the conference and Nebraska is not?
*This is inaccurate anyway - Ohio St is NOT a charter member*
And so what if Ohio St is currently a "conference giant" {i.e. an elite performer on the field} and Nebraska is not?
I maintain that any and every B1G school is equally at liberty to voice an opinion and push an agenda irrespective of conference tenure and win/loss record
That said, if history and tradition DOES, as you seem to be saying, confer a certain right to speak up, then Nebraska, as one of just nine blue blood college football programs has most certainly earned the right to squawk as loud as and for as long as they please!
I have lived in Illinois for over four years now and have yet to meet anyone willing to cop to being a fan of Illini football. I bet if you asked people on the street they'd swear Ron Zook was still the coach.
Oh, we're here. And we'd kill to be in the top 5 on this list.
There are dozens of us, dozens!
As a card carrying member of the OSU fan base, I think it manifestly important that you hear my take on this. Really, you need to hear this. Fan base. It is two words. Making two words into one word is annoying. It is more annoying than Nebraska. It is almost more annoying than you conjuring up the image of Pat Fitzgerald straining away to evacuate his bowels, an image that now careens around in my mind's eye and cannot be unimagined. It peeves and miffs me. I am piffed.
As a Michigan grad, this is way too gentle on Michigan.
As a Northwestern grad, I have a duty to inform you that your comment contains a dangling modifier.
🤣🤣🤣
Maybe this was done on purpose, but I couldn't help but laugh at the Michigan grad needing to inform everyone of their status, even if it was to ask for UM to be treated more roughly. Very fitting :)
I enjoy meeting vegan Michigan grads, as they get super torn on what to say first...."As a Michigan grad and a vegan, I mean as a vegan and Michigan grad..."
I am surprised that lows race issues didn’t land them higher but that is more actual awful thing and not annoying so I get it
Bruh Northwestern is actually good now....
I resent your characterization of Michigan State fans as beer can throwing louts. I’m a two-time graduate of MSU, and never threw a beer can at anyone. Okay, I did once. And it was in Spartan Stadium. But in my defense I threw it toward Joe Montana. And it was a Budweiser. So there.